When I was a little kid I really loved to swing on swings.

The higher they would go the better it was—and even though it was a little scary sometimes, at the very apex of the swing just before the drop, it felt a whole lot like flying to me.

Pretty much all summer at the playground, you’d find me on the swings. I even had my favorite one.

One day I met a new friend at school, who I really liked and her mom let her come over to play. So of course we headed to the playground. I was so excited to share my favorite swing with her!

But when we got there, she didn’t want to swing. At. All.

She didn’t really like swinging.


How does someone not like swinging?

She preferred the slide.   

Whoa—that was the first time that I was fully aware of someone having a profoundly different perspective than me. 

We all have different experiences, feelings, and perception of our lives and the journey to awakening. 

Many of you have heard the story of my journey toward awakening in a previous podcast episode. This week (in episode #99!) we’re shaking it up and I’m interviewing Chris, my husband and partner. Not because he’s my husband but because he has a very high frequency resonance (higher than mine, actually) but he does not have the same special abilities that I do, and he doesn’t “see” anything. His is a different perspective on awakening—which just so happens to be the title of this episode.

We had received many questions from our listeners for him, what his experience is, his perspective on the journey toward awakening. We felt that him sharing his experience might help to give context to your own.

The free Group Frequency Calibration® (GFC) at the end is the most important part – it will help to raise your frequency resonance irrespective of how you perceive and relate with your reality, and help open up awareness of your own unique flavor.

Without this, many of us can feel like we’re failing because when we compare our own journey to someone else’s, and notice differences, we interpret other people’s as superior. 

We hope you enjoy this latest episode and that it helps you appreciate your own journey even more.

Let’s rise together!



This week, Chris is answering some listener/viewer questions, shedding light on:

  • The way he gauges his own spiritual ascension, and how it’s changed over time.
  • Why thinking less has served him more.
  • How he experiences upgrades.
  • How he’s learned to embody more neutrality.
  • What patterns he and Karen have learned — and unlearned — to accelerate growth as a couple.

As always, stay tuned for the free GFC at the end of the interview!